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Just wanted to share a very unpleasant experience in the hopes that maybe it makes someone think before they act!
A very close friend was seriously injured this past weekend when his sxs flipped backward off a rock face and landed on its top on the drivers side. The impact was absorbed mostly in the A pillar area and crushed the cage in on the driver causing serious head and neck trauma. He had to be cut out of the sxs, packed out on a stretcher and air lifted to the hospital. He did survive but has 2 broken vertebra in his neck and will have a long recovery. Thankfully he is not paralyzed but that may not have been the case if not for the actions of a good friend that was there when this happened. He had the proper training, presence of mind, and grit to do all the right things when everyone else wanted to pull him out of the sxs.
The moral of all this is..... If you dont have proper first aid training... GET IT!! If you dont want to do that.... Stay out of the way!!!! There are many great sites that offer first aid training as well as your local fire dept in most areas. The life you save just might be someone you know or love!! Lets all be safe and take care of each other out there!!
 

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Just wanted to share a very unpleasant experience in the hopes that maybe it makes someone think before they act!
A very close friend was seriously injured this past weekend when his sxs flipped backward off a rock face and landed on its top on the drivers side. The impact was absorbed mostly in the A pillar area and crushed the cage in on the driver causing serious head and neck trauma. He had to be cut out of the sxs, packed out on a stretcher and air lifted to the hospital. He did survive but has 2 broken vertebra in his neck and will have a long recovery. Thankfully he is not paralyzed but that may not have been the case if not for the actions of a good friend that was there when this happened. He had the proper training, presence of mind, and grit to do all the right things when everyone else wanted to pull him out of the sxs.
The moral of all this is..... If you dont have proper first aid training... GET IT!! If you dont want to do that.... Stay out of the way!!!! There are many great sites that offer first aid training as well as your local fire dept in most areas. The life you save just might be someone you know or love!! Lets all be safe and take care of each other out there!!
That is great advice. Any way to get pictures of the damage to the KRX. I was thinking of getting an aftermarket cage for more protection. This story made up my mind. I live in the Phoenix area. Does anyone know of a shop in this area that makes quality cages?
 

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Great post!
I carry an IFAK in all my rigs and got the training.

I am patiently waiting for my cromo cage to be built.
 

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That is great advice. Any way to get pictures of the damage to the KRX. I was thinking of getting an aftermarket cage for more protection. This story made up my mind. I live in the Phoenix area. Does anyone know of a shop in this area that makes quality cages?
Brick City Fabrications in Mesa can make you an awesome cage. They are well versed in KRX cages too.
 

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He was not in a KRX, It was a Talon and given the way the accident happened Im not sure any cage would have done much better. It was just a freak occurrence at a spot we had all been on many times before. I don't think any stock sxs made today could do much better. In a nut shell.... The sxs fell from about 20' directly on the A pillar and it landed on solid rock. These machines are made to withstand a lot. But not that much! Along with literally crushing that side it pushed all the tie in locations, front and back of drivers compartment, down several inches. I will not post pics out of respect for the family's wishes. There was video taken and it spread through social media and his son got that within hours of it happening. I know we all video ourselves and want to see what happened versus reading it but sometimes we need to think before we hit send!!!
 

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He was not in a KRX, It was a Talon and given the way the accident happened Im not sure any cage would have done much better. It was just a freak occurrence at a spot we had all been on many times before. I don't think any stock sxs made today could do much better. In a nut shell.... The sxs fell from about 20' directly on the A pillar and it landed on solid rock. These machines are made to withstand a lot. But not that much! Along with literally crushing that side it pushed all the tie in locations, front and back of drivers compartment, down several inches. I will not post pics out of respect for the family's wishes. There was video taken and it spread through social media and his son got that within hours of it happening. I know we all video ourselves and want to see what happened versus reading it but sometimes we need to think before we hit send!!!
I have seen 2 Talons with bad results from a roll over and a flop. Those factory cages are terrible!
 

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The OP just mentions a SxS...........not that it was a KRX..............the KRX cage is a lot more heavily gusseted and braced than other SxS's...........I wouldn't go as far to say that the KRX cage is Terrible, I'm sure it went through VERY detailed analysis in CAD for energy absorbtion, loading, and stress points.
 

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The OP just mentions a SxS...........not that it was a KRX..............the KRX cage is a lot more heavily gusseted and braced than other SxS's...........I wouldn't go as far to say that the KRX cage is Terrible, I'm sure it went through VERY detailed analysis in CAD for energy absorbtion, loading, and stress points.
Not sure if you were responding to me or not but just in case, I was referring to the terrible factory cages belonging to the Talons.
 

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I'm glad he will be ok, I'm sure it could have been worse. As to the ROPS on the KRX it's nothing like the one on my previous Wildcat XX. I really wish Kawi would have done a better job and made a more stout cage on these.
 

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Also good advice, thanks for reminding folks. Last October were were on Hells Revenge when a Ram Charger rolled down a 200' section. Flipped about 5 times from what we saw. The passenger was ejected and we had to do communication and ground contact for the flight for life. She was in bad shape so our training definitely helped. Thanks again for the reminder to all.
 

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Any large group rides, close to the Huntington, WV area. As long as my wife and I are off, we would be happy to come to ride and for medical support. We both our well educated in the medical management of trauma patients of all shapes, sizes, and incidents. We tend to keep a few things with us. Have the radio frequencies And the ability to communicate with local ground and air ems in this region.
 

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So Jlhens03, what would you recommend as mandatory first aid kit contents that are suggested for more Off Road injuries? I carry a basic first aid kit, but nothing extensive.
 

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So Jlhens03, what would you recommend as mandatory first aid kit contents that are suggested for more Off Road injuries? I carry a basic first aid kit, but nothing extensive.
Great question! And the topic I hope we can keep on. We can start a new thread about cages. would love to here your opinion Jlhens03. I found this in an article on the same subject. I will be adding a folding saw with metal blades to cut the cage and a wrench to take out cage bolts.
Red Cross Says…
For those assembling their own basic first aid kits for the trail, or augmenting a store-bought kit, here is what the American Red Cross suggests you have in a basic first aid kit for a family of four.
25 adhesive bandages (assorted Sizes)
5 antibiotic ointment packets (approx. 1 gram each)
5 sterile gauze pads (3 by 3 inches)
5 sterile gauze pads (4 by 4 inches)
5 antiseptic wipe packets
2 packets of aspirin (81 mg each)
2 absorbent compress dressings (5 by 9 inches)
2 pairs of non-latex gloves
2 hydrocortisone ointment packets (approx. 1 gram each)
2 triangular bandages
1 space blanket
1 roll adhesive cloth tape (10 yards by 1 inch)
1 tweezers
1 scissors
1 breathing barrier (with one-way valve)
1 oral thermometer
1 roller bandage (3 inches wide)
1 roller bandage (4 inches wide)
1 instant cold compress
1 first aid instruction booklet
 

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I like the premise of this thread.

One thing that is extremely useful and I have used in the past is SPOT and/or in the case of my AO, Life Flight.

Another very useful piece of kit would be an Israeli Bandage, CAT tourniquet, and Quick Clot.
 

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Anything with nitrile gloves so you are protected, things to make pressure dressings out of. 4 way adjustable c-collar so you only have to by one. 2 Sof Tactical Tourniquets. And those specially for a couple reasons over the cat 5 tourniquets. A bulb suction. Bloody airways need to be cleared. I would carry a thermal blanket. Trauma patients lose body temp quickly even in 100 degree heat. A hatchet, some small trees, and a few ratchet straps you can make a back board. It’s not ideal but it beats paying for one or attempting to back one of the foldable kind. Hemostatic dressings as a last resort if 2 tourniquets won’t stop the bleeding. Trauma scissors. To start with. And get in some training such as a stop the bleed class. And a basic trauma life support class. All the equipment in the world, doesn’t help if you don’t know how to use it.
 

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If you had more training, more advanced things could be added, but without the training having those things can cause more harm than good depending on what’s wrong with the patient. Didn’t mean to jack the threat. Well built cages, helmets, and harness are the best defense to injury.
 

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And get in some training such as a stop the bleed class. And a basic trauma life support class. All the equipment in the world, doesn’t help if you don’t know how to use it.
I couldnt agree more!!!!
 

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I worked life flight for a long time. The company I worked for did a tremendous amount of outreach education, that correlated to this very topic. Was great for public relations. In your area I would check with your local air medical provider if you are part of a atv / utv club, they will usually do a class for free. At least the company I worked for did. But the bases in which I flew at were in the heart of Kentucky and West Virginia, trail systems.
 
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