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Hey all. New member and new KRX 1000 owner here. Bought a used machine (2021) with 720ish miles on it. Changed the fluids today after purchase and noticed a prominent gas smell in the engine oil. The drained oil felt slightly diluted as well. Is this normal for these? Original owner had service records that show normal service intervals.
 

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Hey all. New member and new KRX 1000 owner here. Bought a used machine (2021) with 720ish miles on it. Changed the fluids today after purchase and noticed a prominent gas smell in the engine oil. The drained oil felt slightly diluted as well. Is this normal for these? Original owner had service records that show normal service intervals.
Funny you brought this up. I noticed the same thing at my 120 mile service. I noticed the used oil had a smell of gas. I figured it was normal being the piston rings were not fully seated during break in.
 

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If you have a california model krx that is part of the system. It routes fumes into the engine to burn off. And if you just started it up and ran it to change the oil, it has a stronger smell.
 

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Not a California model but I will watch it over the next 100 miles now that I have changed the oil. If it seems to be diluted with gas again then off to the stealership. Thank god for warranty!!

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Not a California model but I will watch it over the next 100 miles now that I have changed the oil. If it seems to be diluted with gas again then off to the stealership. Thank god for warranty!!

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Is it running badly?as in blubbering and puking black smoke.fouling the plugs?
 

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I just noticed the same thing. I was fueling up the other day and noticed my oil level seemed higher than normal. Thinking gas dilution, I checked it for gas smell. It was indeterminate because I just fueled up.

Today, a week later, I noticed my oil is noticeably lower than normal, but well within limits, with the machine parked in the same spot. Checked the oil and got a very strong gas smell. I am running completely stock emissions.
 

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When u guys 1st start them up do u guys just let them sit there to warm up? if u do don't. l will start mine let it idle a couple of seconds then will drive it slow until at operating temps then go for it n drive it normal. but when u start the engine for the 1st time for the day it will use more gas to stay running at idle, if u drive it slow after a couple of seconds after started it will heat up faster n will not need as much fuel to keep it running. if u do let it sit and idle u may notice that ur plugs will be starting to foul out because of that extra fuel from start ups n letting it idle. When its cold out it will be alot worse because ur cold engine will be calling for more fuel. Just saying
 

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When u guys 1st start them up do u guys just let them sit there to warm up? if u do don't. l will start mine let it idle a couple of seconds then will drive it slow until at operating temps then go for it n drive it normal. but when u start the engine for the 1st time for the day it will use more gas to stay running at idle, if u drive it slow after a couple of seconds after started it will heat up faster n will not need as much fuel to keep it running. if u do let it sit and idle u may notice that ur plugs will be starting to foul out because of that extra fuel from start ups n letting it idle. When its cold out it will be alot worse because ur cold engine will be calling for more fuel. Just saying
Hulk you are correct, its better to start it up and start riding it immediately. I don't know why some guys let theirs warm up for 5-10 minutes, this isn't 1960 with a thremal choke and poorly machined components. If it's -10 outside, okay. Idling after riding makes zero sense too, since we don't have a turbocharger that needs oil. But for whatever reason Kawi chose a EFI system that makes it possible to foul the plugs at idle, part of this is due to the fact they can't raise the idle rpm too much on a cold start otherwise you'd start engaging the clutch. I sent my oil off to a testing lab for my car, and they said they found very little fuel in the oil even though it smelled very heavily of gas. They stated that it's normal for the smell to stay but the fuel to evaporate. So unless your oil is water thin there's nothing to worry about.
 

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Hulk you are correct, its better to start it up and start riding it immediately. I don't know why some guys let theirs warm up for 5-10 minutes, this isn't 1960 with a thremal choke and poorly machined components. If it's -10 outside, okay. Idling after riding makes zero sense too, since we don't have a turbocharger that needs oil. But for whatever reason Kawi chose a EFI system that makes it possible to foul the plugs at idle, part of this is due to the fact they can't raise the idle rpm too much on a cold start otherwise you'd start engaging the clutch. I sent my oil off to a testing lab for my car, and they said they found very little fuel in the oil even though it smelled very heavily of gas. They stated that it's normal for the smell to stay but the fuel to evaporate. So unless your oil is water thin there's nothing to worry about.
Post a link for oil testing...please.
 

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Hulk you are correct, its better to start it up and start riding it immediately. I don't know why some guys let theirs warm up for 5-10 minutes, this isn't 1960 with a thremal choke and poorly machined components. If it's -10 outside, okay. Idling after riding makes zero sense too, since we don't have a turbocharger that needs oil. But for whatever reason Kawi chose a EFI system that makes it possible to foul the plugs at idle, part of this is due to the fact they can't raise the idle rpm too much on a cold start otherwise you'd start engaging the clutch. I sent my oil off to a testing lab for my car, and they said they found very little fuel in the oil even though it smelled very heavily of gas. They stated that it's normal for the smell to stay but the fuel to evaporate. So unless your oil is water thin there's nothing to worry about.
Old school methods. They’ve worked for me for years. There’s something about running a cold engine hard that doesn’t seem right. Not to mention the noises emitted don’t sound healthy. May or May not be needed or do anything for that matter, but I always take safety precautions over the top. Just like my tandem trailer. 10,000 pound capacity, I have ease of mind that it’s never over limit and in the event of a blow out I have an additional tire on each side to support the weight. Safe, safe, safe. You could never do enough. My .02 cents.
 

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Old school methods. They’ve worked for me for years. There’s something about running a cold engine hard that doesn’t seem right. Not to mention the noises emitted don’t sound healthy. May or May not be needed or do anything for that matter, but I always take safety precautions over the top. Just like my tandem trailer. 10,000 pound capacity, I have ease of mind that it’s never over limit and in the event of a blow out I have an additional tire on each side to support the weight. Safe, safe, safe. You could never do enough. My .02 cents.
I agree 100%!
I also always warm my vehicles up (all of them) before driving. The fluids need to be circulated and some heat built up before running higher rpm's. Been doing this forever. If I ever foul a plug from it (I never have) a plug is much cheaper to replace than an engine. I don't know any motor heads who fire up and go without a short warm up.
 

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Old school methods. They’ve worked for me for years. There’s something about running a cold engine hard that doesn’t seem right. Not to mention the noises emitted don’t sound healthy. May or May not be needed or do anything for that matter, but I always take safety precautions over the top. Just like my tandem trailer. 10,000 pound capacity, I have ease of mind that it’s never over limit and in the event of a blow out I have an additional tire on each side to support the weight. Safe, safe, safe. You could never do enough. My .02 cents.
P.S. my stuff seems to last longer as well.
 

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The input here is phenomenal! Thanks for that.

My last oil change I had no noticeable gas odor. Ironically, that was after winter when the KRX did get some idle time as it was started in a colder shop (40f) and let to warm up to low triple digits it was often sub zero outside. I'm in the old school column with that despite the fact that modern lubricants and engines are designed to be start and go in all conditions per EPA regs.
Since the last change, now that it's been warmer, I start (the shop is in the 70s now) and just drive slow out the door until it hits temp before loading too hard and the gas smell is present.

This got me wondering about viscosity, which I would guess would be less if there is substantial gas dilution. Being Mr. science at heart, I put some current gas smelling oil out of the crankcase next to some fresh Kawi oil on a sheet of sloped sheet metal to see if there was a difference in run characteristics. I think I'm OK in that department as they had almost exact run patterns. The case oil is slightly less viscous. Still contemplating sending in a sample. Never ask a service department a question you don't already know the answer to if you can help it.



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Old school methods. They’ve worked for me for years. There’s something about running a cold engine hard that doesn’t seem right. Not to mention the noises emitted don’t sound healthy. May or May not be needed or do anything for that matter, but I always take safety precautions over the top. Just like my tandem trailer. 10,000 pound capacity, I have ease of mind that it’s never over limit and in the event of a blow out I have an additional tire on each side to support the weight. Safe, safe, safe. You could never do enough. My .02 cents.
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I agree 100%!
I also always warm my vehicles up (all of them) before driving. The fluids need to be circulated and some heat built up before running higher rpm's. Been doing this forever. If I ever foul a plug from it (I never have) a plug is much cheaper to replace than an engine. I don't know any motor heads who fire up and go without a short warm up.
I didnt see anyone say to start it up n run it hard with out proper warm up. Proper warm up is huge to an engine. I will never let mine sit there to warm up n I been doing it that way since the 70s and the materials they use in engines today are way better then they were in the 70s. I seen it way to many times where there was gas in the oil from just letting it sit there n idle its not good to do that. Gas in oil is not a good mix. But it is what it is everyone has to do what works for him or her.
 
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