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Kawasaki and Dealers are staying pretty tight lipped about the new 2021 KRX 1000 ES. FOX LIVE VALVE. Anybody have any information about this model besides what's on the internet.

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Kawasaki and Dealers are staying pretty tight lipped about the new 2021 KRX 1000 ES. FOX LIVE VALVE. Anybody have any information about this model besides what's on the internet.

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Everything is the same with the major difference being the active suspension. The graphics and the color TFT screen. That’s about it.
 

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Not enough of a difference for me personally. I'm a software developer and I don't trust computers to adjust my suspension lol
I agree. I just set mine on full soft and ride. The terrain doesn't vary enough for me to need to adjust on the fly.
 

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I agree. I just set mine on full soft and ride. The terrain doesn't vary enough for me to need to adjust on the fly.
Well, and that's the thing - you don't really have control over it. You just select between 'ranges', rather than actual settings. Then the computer tries to figure out what setting to be at for any instant based on a bunch of sensor data. Just seems like there's way too much to go wrong there and frankly, to me, a predictable car is far far faster and safer than an unpredictable car. Imagine if the computer decided how much brake force to apply based on how quickly you were breaking lol!
 

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The more they automate these machines, the more opportunity for things to go wrong. Particularly with all the sensors it takes for these new magic shocks to work. I just don't have any use for constantly self-adjusting shocks on any vehicle I own.
 

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The more they automate these machines, the more opportunity for things to go wrong. Particularly with all the sensors it takes for these new magic shocks to work. I just don't have any use for constantly self-adjusting shocks on any vehicle I own.
Or the outrageous price!
 

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I agree somewhat. Most of these cars rely on computers to even run. I've owned three Honda Talons. Two without FOX LIVE VALVE and the latest one with the live vale. My personal experience was a big difference between the two. The live valve was far superior to the non live valve. I know everyone has their own opinion and I respect that. I feel that Kawasaki ,who has the best suspension out there, is more than likely going to have a superior Live Valve compared to Honda and Polaris. The Kawasaki live valve is still priced well below the other cars live valve.
Any way, I have a 1000ES ordered and I will let you guys know I think of it.
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I certainly wouldn't mind giving the system a try before I came to a conclusion. I imagine microprocessor managed suspension will evolve like ECUs which also got their unreliable comments when they came out years ago. Now everyone is plugged in and fuel mapping. The same is going to happen with suspension systems. XXXracing will be selling race winning suspension tunes soon enough in my opinion. It's only a matter of time until retrofits for non live systems start to appear.....and they will sell like ice in hell. Bet a dime to a dollar that the code is being developed right now. Wait until you can buy GPS linked tunes for specific rides. :)
 

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I'm sure they will ride nice, just not something I feel a "need" for. The ride of the KRX is already amazing without another $2500 worth of electronic suspension parts to worry about.
 

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I've heard conflicting stories about electronic controlled shocks... That they will try to counter the car in sharp turns and over correct it making it corner bad. Idk though. Seems like it's be good for some things and not so good for other things.
 

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I've heard conflicting stories about electronic controlled shocks... That they will try to counter the car in sharp turns and over correct it making it corner bad. Idk though. Seems like it's be good for some things and not so good for other things.
This is an emerging technology. I'm guessing there will be software refinements (and huge mistakes), sensor refinements, and improvements as time goes on. Microprocessors can do stuff way faster than human interface, that's an indisputable fact. I do a bit of PLC design and programming and can see some real upside potential with this tech. Personally, I wouldn't invest at this point because I'm still overwhelmed at the difference between my KRX and Pioneer. Down the line? Who knows?
 

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Here is a video from the Deranged Offroad guys. There was one in their group.

At about the 14:00 minute mark they do a walk around.

 
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The live valve Ford Raptors are amazing. I have a 2017 Raptor with “normal” Fox shocks. My buddies 2019 with live valve fox shocks is noticeably faster through the whoops. Those shocks are amazing. They’ve been using them in sportscar and asphalt racing for over a decade. It’s not that new of technology. if I had a choice I’d choose live valve every time.
 

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I ride with 3 buddies that have RZR's with the Dynamix active suspension, and all are true believers. Between their suspension and turbo I can't keep up with them.
SxS's are somewhat new to the game but my 08 Acura had active suspension and was impressive. I didn't realize how good it was until my next car did not have it.....noticeable difference.
 

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This is an emerging technology. I'm guessing there will be software refinements (and huge mistakes), sensor refinements, and improvements as time goes on. Microprocessors can do stuff way faster than human interface, that's an indisputable fact. I do a bit of PLC design and programming and can see some real upside potential with this tech. Personally, I wouldn't invest at this point because I'm still overwhelmed at the difference between my KRX and Pioneer. Down the line? Who knows?
This is where I am.. there’s no doubt there’s some major advantage. But will I go out and sell mine for the ES.. no! But in 3-5 years when it’s time for a new machine and the manufactures have worked some of the kinks out... I’ll probably be driving a live valve machine.
 
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